Sib. 7.5: disable horizontal scrolling or eliminate background around pages
Posted by BignoseCaveman - 04 Feb 02:14AM Hide picture Is there any way to either disable horizontal scrolling or get rid of the background space around pages?
While I'm composing I like to set my page height to an arbitrarily large number of inches, and set zoom level to match system width. The goal is to be able to see as much music as possible without having any wasted screen real estate. I don't care about seeing page formatting until I'm completely done with the composition process.
The problem I am having is that there is still quite a bit of background space to the left and right of the "page" which means that when I scroll up and down (and because I'm using a trackpad as opposed to, say, a clickwheel where scrolling is locked into the vertical axis), the music still has a lot of room to shift right and left, thus concealing much if it from view.
It's a very minor annoyance since I can easily scroll the music back to where I want it, but when one spends hours upon hours at the computer one starts to notice these little things. ;-)
It would be great to be able to get rid of the background completely, or to somehow disable horizontal scrolling.
Can anyone help me out with this seemingly inconsequential pet peeve?
Thanks in advance,
Jonathan
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Posted by Adrian Drover - 04 Feb 08:11AM (edited 04 Feb 08:18AM) Hide picture 1. Maximize your Sib window (page icon at top-right).
2. Minimize the ribbon (green delta icon at top right).
3. View Panorama gives a continuous score spread.
4. Alt/P gives maximum vertical hight.
5. Ctrl/U loses the tool bar at top of window.
6. There may be a ways to loose the status bar at bottom of window, and parts bar at the top, but haven't found them yet.
7. Remove all floating panels that you don't need.
8. Second monitor.
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Posted by Robin Walker - 04 Feb 08:30AM Hide picture > when I scroll up and down (and because I'm using a trackpad as opposed to, say, a clickwheel where scrolling is locked
> into the vertical axis), the music still has a lot of room to shift right and left, thus concealing much of it from view.
If you were to use the PC keyboard to move around the score, instead of a trackpad, then the score would always move precisely vertically, or precisely horizontally.
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Posted by BignoseCaveman - 05 Feb 05:13AM (edited 05 Feb 05:24AM) Hide picture Hey guys, thanks for the quick responses.
Adrian, these are some good suggestions, some I'd thought of and some I hadn't. I usually do use panorama view, but this particular piece is for solo voice so a lot of space is wasted if I only have one continuous line of music displayed. But certainly hiding the ribbon and so forth makes a difference. Unfortunately I can't use full screen because I need another program (Excel) running while I write this piece due to the ridiculous spreadsheet-based method of composing I'm using for this piece (See screenshot). I may end up using a second screen as you suggest.
Robin, it never even occurred to me the score could be moved around directly via the keyboard! I'll experiment with using page up/down. It may take me a while to retrain myself after a couple years of using the mouse for this. Are there shortcuts for just moving a bit instead of an entire screenful? I only see page up/down and home/end in the reference guide. Even if I'm limited to page up/down that is certainly a big help.
Another partial workaround I've implemented is to change the right and left page margins to 0. Between this alteration and tinkering with the page width/zoom settings, I can both get the music to a respectable resolution level and maximize the number of visible systems, while minimizing how much music disappears from view through accidental horizontal scrolling.
As you can see in the attached screenshot, wherein the field of vision is scrolled all the way left, some systems still have important bits cut off, e.g. the last note of the triplet in the selected measure. But a lot of the time it's just the barline and the empty space just before it. Similarly when I have it scrolled all the way right, it's only the initial clefs that are hidden. So this is almost a solution. Hopefully I can just retrain myself to use page up/down and not have to worry about even that much loss of vision.
Thanks again for your help. I'm almost ready to stop procrastinating and go back to actually composing! Back to top | Allthreads Re: Sib. 7.5: disable horizontal scrolling or eliminate background around pages
Posted by BignoseCaveman - 05 Feb 05:26AM (edited 05 Feb 05:39AM) Hide picture I can't seem to upload a screenshot for some reason, so here's a link:
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Posted by Robin Walker - 05 Feb 09:59AM Hide picture > I can't seem to upload a screenshot for some reason,
This forum accepts attachments only in formats .png, .jpg, .sib, with those extensions spelt in lower case. In addition, the JPEG option will be rejected if the image had been processed by Photoshop, which was, I think, why your attachment was rejected. In addition, the forum requires attachments to be less than 900 kBytes in size.
Screenshots are best taken and attached in format .png, as JPEG is sub-optimal for screen-shot images.
To reduce the file-size of screen shots, configure Sibelius to use a plain colour for the manuscript background, rather than laid-paper effects, and to use a plain colour for the desktop, instead of the purple gradient.
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Posted by Laurence Payne - 05 Feb 10:28AM Hide picture > This forum accepts attachments only in formats .png, .jpg, .sib, with those extensions spelt in lower case. In addition, the JPEG option will be rejected if the image had been processed by Photoshop, which was, I think, why your attachment was rejected.
Indeed. When I want to get a screenshot of something the Snipping Tool can't cope with - certain open menus usually - it has to be PrtScr then Paste into a new Photoshop document. Then, because Sibelius doesn't like JPGs made in Photoshop, use the Snipping Tool on the Photoshop window! Aren't computers fun! Back to top | Allthreads Re: Sib. 7.5: disable horizontal scrolling or eliminate background around pages
Posted by Robin Walker - 05 Feb 10:44AM Hide picture > When I want to get a screenshot of something the Snipping Tool can't cope with - certain open menus usually ...
Ah, but the Snipping Tool CAN cope with open menus!
See item "To capture a snip of a menu" at:
-gb/windows/use-snipping-tool-capture-screen-shots
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Posted by Laurence Payne - 05 Feb 10:54AM Hide picture > > When I want to get a screenshot of something the Snipping Tool can't cope with - certain open menus usually ...
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> Ah, but the Snipping Tool CAN cope with open menus!
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> See item "To capture a snip of a menu" at:
> -gb/windows/use-snipping-tool-capture-screen-shots
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Coo! I must try that... Thanks. Back to top | Allthreads Re: Sib. 7.5: disable horizontal scrolling or eliminate background around pages
Posted by Laurence Payne - 05 Feb 11:46AM Hide picture Coo again! Attachment Capture.JPG.jpg (65K) Back to top | Allthreads Re: Sib. 7.5: disable horizontal scrolling or eliminate background around pages
Posted by Robin Walker - 05 Feb 09:52AM Hide picture > Are there shortcuts for just moving a bit instead of an entire screenful?
PageUp, PageDn, Home, End are the large movements in each of four directions;
Hold down the Alt key with PageUp, PageDn, Home, End, for smaller movements in those four directions.
In general, Sibelius is optimised for keyboard use (including a numeric keypad). If you ever feel the need to drag something with a mouse (or mouse-substitute), you've probably missed a better way of doing things.
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Posted by Adrian Drover - 05 Feb 01:53PM Hide picture I can't make that happen. When I open a menu, the snipping tool window disappears, then when I re-open it, the menu disappears. Call me dum-dum if you like. I don't mind. Back to top | Allthreads Re: Sib. 7.5: disable horizontal scrolling or eliminate background around pages
Posted by Laurence Payne - 05 Feb 01:58PM Hide picture I had to read the instructions very carefully too! Back to top | Allthreads Re: Sib. 7.5: disable horizontal scrolling or eliminate background around pages
Posted by Adrian Drover - 05 Feb 05:40PM Hide picture There you go, Laurence. I *am* a dummy. Just got it to work after several attempts. I'll never remember the running order tho'. Back to top | Allthreads Re: Sib. 7.5: disable horizontal scrolling or eliminate background around pages
Posted by BignoseCaveman - 05 Feb 07:40PM (edited 05 Feb 09:59PM) Hide picture Weird. I tried both png and jpg, and each one appeared to upload fully, i.e. went to 100%. My guess would be the size restriction but I don't get why there was no error message.
>In general, Sibelius is optimised for keyboard use (including a numeric keypad). If you ever feel the need to drag something with a mouse (or mouse-substitute), you've probably missed a better way of doing things.
So true, and one of my favorite things about Sibelius, especially in comparison with Another Notation Program. If I had my druthers I would almost never use anything but keyboards, in any program. Back to top | Allthreads Re: Sib. 7.5: disable horizontal scrolling or eliminate background around pages
Posted by Laurence Payne - 05 Feb 08:10PM Hide picture > I'll never remember the running order tho'.
End with "MacArthur Park". Trust me. Back to top | Allthreads Re: Sib. 7.5: disable horizontal scrolling or eliminate background around pages
Posted by Adrian Drover - 05 Feb 10:35PM Hide picture Just got this from Wheeling High School, Illinois.
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I know just how much Bob M. loves to hear it. Where do all these super-chops trumpeters come from? Back to top | Allthreads Re: Sib. 7.5: disable horizontal scrolling or eliminate background around pages
Posted by Laurence Payne - 05 Feb 11:09PM Hide picture Not "that AWFUL MacArthur Park thing" again?
"IN all honesty I think its horrible, and its STILl my least favorite piece of any kind of music, of ALL time, on the ENTIRE planet!! ..followed closely, of course by your arrangement of "Hey Jude"..and others.."
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Posted by BignoseCaveman - 05 Feb 11:48PM Hide picture Prefer Weird Al's version. Good song though. Back to top | Allthreads Re: Sib. 7.5: disable horizontal scrolling or eliminate background around pages
Posted by Laurence Payne - 05 Feb 11:59PM (edited 06 Feb 12:02AM) Hide picture You could have a point there. Sorry, Adrian!
But both are beaten hands-down by the scene in "Priscilla" where a whole number is contrived around the "cake left out in the rain".
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Posted by Mike Lyons - 06 Feb 09:12AM Hide picture We play the Alan Catherall arrangement and I hate it! It's just an excuse to blow the instruments straight! Noise! Undisciplined noise!
Having said that, I do, actually, like the original!
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